1 (edited by Umbramatic 2016-08-10 23:19:39)

Topic: The Official Sun and Moon Spoiler/Speculation Thread!

(Now with 25% more pineapple-flavored Zygarde tears.)

But yeah, this is essentially the Generation 7 successor to this thread made for when Generation 6 was starting to happen. (Which in turn was a successor to a similar thread for Generation 5.5, go figure.)

But anyway, some important notes:

Sun And Moon Stuff That Can Go Outside of Here Just Fine:

  • Names/Types/Etc. of version mascots

  • Base morph starters

  • The existence of the Alola Region and that it's Pokeverse!Hawaii

  • Magearna

  • The existence of Zygarde's alternate forms, if not the fine details of how they work, which go in next two categories

Sun And Moon Stuff That Can Go Outside of Here With Resrictions:

  • Officially-teasered new mons, mon forms like Megas and such, moves, mechanics/mechanic changes, etc. (Need to  be mentioned in [spoiler]spoilertext in meta discussion and come with a spoiler warning for RP cameos)

Sun And Moon Stuff That Goes In This Thread And Stays In This Thread Until Spoilerblock Is Lifted:

  • Officially-teasered story/character/location details

  • Unofficial leaks regardless of evidence/legitimacy at first, though this can be adjusted according to new reveals over time; if a leak is firmly jossed it becomes as A-OK to discuss as a new mon reveal unless it involves legitimate deeper spoilers. By contrast if a leak racks up evidence as time goes by it becomes even more verboten to mention outsude of restricted zones

  • ANYTHING POST-RELEASE FOR THE FIRST MONTH OR SO, ESPECIALLY STORY DETAILS

With those in mind, feel free to blab about anything related  to the upcoming new generation here and in the spoilers chatroom; I can authenticate any XMPP accounts for the latter.

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Said these things in the spoilerchat, but

Region map! I'm fondest of the southwest and southeast islands, former because the general environment looks neat, latter because it's got a lot of diverse environments.

Rotomdex exists and they speak and it is wonderful that they do

Possibly regional dex split for each island, plus one as a whole?

Maybe more dynamic poses for Pokemon in the dexes?

Also I dunno how useful the QR Code Pokedex thing will actually be, but I admit I like the concept

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3 (edited by Umbramatic 2016-06-02 14:53:27)

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I am very glad we got more of Hawaii than just one island, yus. There looks like so much to explore!

Also inb4 professor's mysterious assistant who looks like a G3 Lady has an N-ish storyline role. On that note seems they've gone back to one rival; he seems like the energetic sort, but I don't mind, seeing as the people who are more "we want our jerks back" with the rivals tend to be genwunners anyway, and refocusing on one character in that regard avoids the problem of having multiple rivals who don't live up to their full potential ala XY (though I never had everyone else's out-and-out beef with its rivals, just agreeing they really could have used more development).

On a related note, I do worry for Rotomdex in terms of fandom reputation, but I like what I've seen of his one-liners so far. "Careful with the goods, 'k?" Also his mere existence means I can drink the "Pokemon aren't sapient in the main series!!1!" people's delicious tears so that's a plus.

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On the Japanese Youtube channel for the series, instead of one big trailer, they released eight short (~15 second) clips for each point of interest:

Alola

Professor Kukui

Hau

Lillie

Solgaleo

Lunala

Rotom Pokedex

Hero

I can't exactly examine them well myself, but it was pointed out that Lillie refers to Pokemon as "Pokemon-san", something that I don't think is the norm in the Japanese versions of the franchise.

[Spectrum was here!]

5 (edited by CorvusAtrox 2016-06-02 15:49:58)

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Don't know enough Japanese to examine them too well at a glance either, but I did include some screenshots from the Rotom Pokedex (If that is indeed a per-island regional dex, the first island's probably called Melemele or something like that)

Also, add Slowpoke to the 'probably-in-this-region' Pokemon

As for Pokemon-san, yeah, I think she's the only one in the trailers who calls them that. I'd have to play with earlier games to see if anyone else does it or I'm totally off base, but if it's like the one anime where I've heard people refer to animals as [animal]-san... I'd guess it's pretty close to when someone would say something like 'Mr. Otter' or 'Mr. Chipmunk', to make it sound more cutesy or like a kid's talking about them, only it could be used more generally too.

I could be totally wrong, though, too.

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Hmm... Rotom Pokédex, huh? Interesting concept. I hope something similar to the DexNav is included among whatever features it has.

Solgaleo and Lunala's types are interesting, I guess. I'm curious about what their lore will be.

New character Lillie has a cute design. Looking forward to learn more about her, I guess.

... I can't think of much else to say at the moment. Looking forward to learning more.

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EEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee~ at that Alola map.

Southeast

Southeast island is DEFINITELY based on the Big Island.

A Birb wrote:

latter because it's got a lot of diverse environments.

They aren't even exaggerating the environmental variety like they usually do! I remember seeing all that!

Upper-right town is Hilo; the lower-left rocky outcroppings look like the area around the Kailua-Kona airport...

Wild Huntail: *startles Tangent and Apikale!*

Yikes!

Middle-left looks to be the grassy hills of Waimea. Circling clockwise we then get the rainforests...

Desert's as you climb Mauna Kea.

Northeast

Oh, looking at it, I think northeast island is Maui rotated 90 degrees counter-clockwise.

Back-left will probably be a place with lots of waterfalls.

If there's a narrow, perilous route taking you to the back of the island, I'm going to die laughing. Then refuse to call it anything but the Road to Hana.

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Also his mere existence means I can drink the "Pokemon aren't sapient in the main series!!1!" people's delicious tears so that's a plus.

They're delicious.

9 (edited by rmctagg09 2016-06-11 02:49:11)

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New CoroCoro has leaked.

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New mons!

Haha oh wow, I cannot believe Corocoro was cheeky enough to point out the rock puppy was in the trailer.

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As soon as I saw that the Zygarde formes were in the game, I instantly thought "Ha! Take that all you people who said that they'd be anime exclusive!"

12 (edited by CorvusAtrox 2016-06-11 16:33:48)

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Oh, official confirmation of Zygarde forms for Sun/Moon?

Yay~

Also, I like how information's been getting revealed recently in a mix of official trailers and CoroCoro scans

Also, videos for that can be found here

Oh, and I don't know if Serebii noted it, but looks like Zygarde's finally getting Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves

EDIT: English Version

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The new koala and dog Pokemon are so cute!

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So E3 Came and

Yungoos! Pikipek! Grubbin!

That bottom screen!

Stat tracking!

"Welcome. Do you have some... b u s i n e s s?"

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So, an apparent rumor made me do some math, and I'm guessing that B/W's variable EXP system will be making a return in Sun and Moon. And on top of that, wild and trainer battles might give the same amount of EXP now too.

Rambling about it is here, if anyone wants to read it.

"Welcome. Do you have some... b u s i n e s s?"

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New mon info!: http://www.serebii.net/news/2016/30-June-2016.shtml

I already want a Cutiefly and a Drampa on my team so bad aaaaa

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17 (edited by CorvusAtrox 2016-07-13 02:23:33)

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So since I got the sudden urge to, I'm going to make a list to try and guess which old Pokemon will be appearing in the games, organized by evolution line. Might update this as new info comes out. Bolded ones are ones we specifically know are battleable. Dunno how to say by relative sureness, but

Anyway...

Returning Pokemon

Caterpie

Spearow

Pichu

Zubat

Meowth

Psyduck

Growlithe

Poliwag

Slowpoke

Gastly

Krabby

Kangaskhan

Horsea

Staryu

Elekid

Tauros

Magikarp

Lapras

Eevee

Dratini

Ledyba

Chinchou

Corsola

Skarmory

Miltank

Carvanha

Trapinch

Feebas

Spheal

Luvdisc

Beldum

Gible

Riolu

Lillipup

Sandile

Emolga

Fletchling

Pancham

Klefki

Zygarde

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18 (edited by CorvusAtrox 2016-07-03 13:17:55)

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So doublepost, but decided to move these other lists to another post because they work differently

This is a list of which Pokemon I'm guessing are going to appear on the different islands. Bolded names are one we've seen in the Pokedex, wild, or in a trainer battle in a certain area.

Melemele

Caterpie

Spearow

Pichu

Ledyba

Pancham

Rowlet

Litten

Popplio

Pikipek

Yungoos

Grubbin

Cutiefly

Tapu Koko

2nd Island

Growlithe

Komala

3rd Island

Kangaskhan

Feebas

Emolga

Grubbin

Togedemaru

Bruxish

4th Island

Slowpoke

Dratini

Drampa

Solgaleo

Lunala

"Welcome. Do you have some... b u s i n e s s?"

"Halt dein Höllesobst mir fern, Versucher." ~ jedesdummisel

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More new Pokemon!

http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml

These ones are rather polarizing. I find Mimikyu cute and sort of creepy. Thinking that I might try to use that one. The bear, though... I do not really like it's design. The fluff does not really sell me on it either, although it definitely makes it more interesting.

Still no signs of an umbrella Pokemon. sad

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GHOST/FAIRY CREEPYCHU I LOVE IT SO FUCKING MUCH

Deadly Bear is fun as well.

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Double post because for the hell of it I decided to compile two things:

New Type Combos We've Gotten So Far

Bug/Fairy

Normal/Dragon

Poison/Fire

Ghost/Fairy

Types We Haven't Gotten Any New Mons Of (Yet)

Ice (Figures, this is the Hawaii region)

Dark

Ground, I think

Let me know if I missed any.

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More new Pokemon. And even some information on an amazing new mechanic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKosBJ1Uko0

You can literally raise a Pokemon's IVs now. No more eugenics and environmental destruction just to find that perfect Pokemon!

The only downside seems to be that the Pokemon must be Level 100. So, grind away. Also, Shinies exist.

Since apparently you can only include one link in a post, uh, check the website.

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Aaaand Mudsdale immediately knocks Ground off my pending types list. tongue We just have Ice and Dark left.

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24 (edited by Umbramatic 2016-08-01 23:12:21)

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AAAAAAAAH

AUGUST UPDATE DROPPED

POKEVARIATIONS ARE CANON

YOU CAN DO SUPER MOVES WITH JOJO POSES

NEW LEAGUE SYSTEM

HMS ARE DEAD, LONG LIVE POKERIDE

DANCER BIRBS

G E T  H Y P E

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25 (edited by Umbramatic 2016-08-02 06:38:57)

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Double post because updating new type combo list:

Bug/Fairy

Normal/Dragon

Ghost/Fairy

Poison/Fire

Ice/Fairy

Ice/Steel

As for pending types counting the regional subspecies there's now still only Dark left. I smell something fishy.

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