On Weather nerf discussion

(Here by Eskay, also discussed in Creative)

From what I know of the Weather nerf in G6, yes, it's weird.

As for the proposal as described by Eskay and Tagg, among others, ie.:

* it affects only Weather abilities, not Weather moves
* it is not (directly?) tied to equipping a weather-boosting item
* it does not affect Kyogre and Groudon (and possibly other weather-related Legendaries of True Power™)
* I'll presume it does affect Mini-Kyogre and Mini-Groudon as they are 1.- knock-offs of the real thing™ and 2.- very young

If under those terms, I'm mostly fine with Eskay's proposal that the weather from those abilities last a bit longer than the time the Pokémon exerting them has on the field. However I'd say five turns past it is way too much. For purposes of how most battles are conducted by the meta, five extra turns essentially means no change at all (even considering weather-altering moves).

I'd suggest applying any (ideally one, at most >_>) of various possible checks to the extra duration, not limited to:

* reducing the extra duration to, say, 2-3 turns unless the mon exerting the Weather move had a weather-boosting equipment
* reducing the special effect boosts (such as no-delay Solarbeam) somehow
* applying a balancing delay to get the weather effect started as well as ended (as they said in Creative, rain takes time to stop; but it also takes time to start)

I definitively don't like the second one (it's annoying, requires keeping track of more stuff, etc). I'm more partial towards the third one, since it makes sense with the difference in power levels between any random mon with Drought and Groudon™, for example. But any fixit (among those or not) would be okay in my book. It would also add strategic value to using the actual weather moves instead of relying on the Abilities.

Pre-and-post Finale plans

Because the thing I had planned to do will have to be completely redesigned, I've checked a new possible approach that I've consulted with Every and Keys, and that allows me to keep what I want to get purpose-wise from the plotline.

Since the plans for the city-wide battle and stuff are taken over and repurposed to happen very close to the Cipher-part finale (Fri and Sat IINM), I'll instead run the first part of the character plot as another city raid in the past, likely some two to three days previously to today. So, basically, Ciphers were already moving across cities and Every already had a chance encounter with some of them where he and Maekrite met again.

That allows us both to do the things we wanted to do, helps clear the issue of Phenac or anywhere else really because we can just repurpose to a place that was convenient, and it also sets up the squads and Shadow!Maekrite as a threat that is just not meet in battle, then pulverize instantly - it takes time and offers chances for contemplation. So events already happened, it's just that the actual posts will be later when we're ready with repurposing, reformatting, etc. That means reactions to the events can already happen at any convenient pace.

Then, since I won't be much available for the weekend and the Cipher finale is this Saturday, I'll just extend the Maekrite part of the plot into the early postgame - after all we are not completely eradicating Cipher, and it is once in a blue moon that the highest rank falls after all of their soldiers. It'll probably involve a brawl with Cipher officers trying to hide between the population, as is Keys's suggestion, and then a confrontation involving Every and Maekrite again. RL-wise, this will most likely happen late the first week of December, as afterwards I have first surgical coming up and I don't know what will my status or availability be immediately afterwards.

Thougths?

On Shadow Moves

Been thinking of what Shadow move to give to Maekrite (since I've already decided to go on with the gag of making the Purification move Morning Sun). But I haven't been able to settle on any of them, I feel like none of the canon Shadow moves fit a Nidoking (the closest thing would probably be Shadow Rave) and before giving this more consideration wanted to check what was the status of the Custom Shadow Moves proposal, it seems they were agreeded upon consensus but never used.

I could go with a custom move (in case anyone has suggestions), a canon move with a twist, or a Limit Break / Desperation Move (in which case I'll be taking a page from either FF10 or KOF XIII).

Re: Battle Mechanics Wording

(Always recommended reading)

I ask if for the section of interplayer battles of the Battle Mechanics page, is it convenient given some issues with player battles in the RP as of late to update wording on any of the following aspects related to agreeing to a special set of battle rules:

* provable agreement should be provided before the battle (currently no provision for preemptive proposition is made, so we only find out after someone does something weird with chaining or weather moves and then it being interpreted as going around breaking rules)
* interplayer agreement is not a free pass to disregard the larger ruleset of the RP, such as having wanton city-level destruction just because or suddenly deciding that, say, battles are 2D (currently there's no provision to this end)
* the agreement should be expected to be inquired and examined by others (currently it is only implied)

Comments on any of those?

Granted, the first part that's true; however, there's a lot to social lives that doesn't necessarily orbit around romance and sex: for one actual friendships (as in not the ones that are shipped) are sometimes barely touched upon. I have a feeling having daily lives with our mons (and them having their own, too) has been put more aside than usual lately.

I guess I repeat my statement about going for trendy. "We don't have plot" (whatever that means) should not automatically imply "there has to be shipping". There's a lot of ground that can be covered in case one needs a post for the day, at least.

On the in-character matters, there's not much I can offer at the moment as it is, yes, a complicated matter. Things like these tend to be character defining so offscreening them doesn't really work. At most I think we could do like we did with the Generation VI spoilers time: so, essentially, when we are to write posts dealing with certain subjects (not only sex, mind; things like death might apply as well) we provide tags or some other form of notice.

Thoughts?

Emotion Sinkhole, or Something™

aka: this idea for Fiore

The description makes it sound like (and uses the language for) it would be basically a distributed radio or cellphone emission - not unlike the one in Generation II. Meaning there is basically no escape from it. Also it looks like this would happen in a city outskirts or a similarly borderline-populated area where getting a bit more of cellphone reception actually matters, so I guess it'd change the way we'd have to write for affected NPCS (meaning everyone inside the AoE if I'm reading right).

So while I'm okay with it for the most part for plot purposes, I think it needs to be checked for invasiveness in both other people's potential plans and overall character writing. Would it also affect wild Pokémon?

Also, is RP!Straw going to die from this plot? "Death by radio" sounds like an absurd enough way to die that it has to be added to the repertoire.

HP-Normal

I don't see any issue with it, and would be Okay with an RP implementation if it is decided so.

See, the thing is, if HP-Normal doesn't exist in the games because then it wouldn't be SE against anything but that argument doesn't hold much for several reasons. In-game there's Inverse Battles, and that mons have Normal type moves despite them being not SE against anything. Out-of-game there's the fact that nothing that enables HP-types really discards the possibility for HP-Normal. Our creatures are alive, not made from calculations on IVs and fractionals. (And the only flavour element that discards HP-Normal so far is the absence of a Normal type Plate)

So if the will is for a HP-Normal, I'm going with it.

Re the pocket dimensions and magician Aggrons idea

re this one: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?di … =826#20632

(plus later comments)

I feel like the concept of an Aggron with Creation Trio-esque powers (even if limited to its own pocket dimension, they _are_ basically Palkia AND Dialga's powers) enough of a stretch that I think it'd require retooling or very careful handling. For example, I haven't seen so far anything that dictates how tightly defined Aggron's pocket dimension is. From the understanding I have of it, of those powers are confined to the dimension then how can Aggron even absorb Aura from a person deceased in _our_ world or reality-warp a person from here to there? That already stretches the sphere of power because it's basically on the level of Shardporting.

If those elements are given the aforementioned retooling or careful examination, I can see the idea working. Plot-wise I don't see any important issues with it.

On ROSA ORAS spoilers

(aka this)

Factors I would consider:

* Considering these are actual remakes, there is probably not much to spoilerblock anyway.
* Stuff like plot might be spoilerable under some circumstances. Not everyone here has played RSE and our very own Hoenn Arc was not strongly tied to those events.
* It would be nice to, if not having a spoilerblock, have people at least have the decency to ask or warn beforehand before spoilering, also considering the below.
* waapt-rp is a public chatroom with public logs. For discussing spoilery stuff (and doing so openly) we already have a spoilers chatroom.

On Chatroom Netiquette

Since the page on chatrooms currently has nothing in the section of netiquette, wondering if any / some / all of the following would be good to add. Subject to additions / changes.

* People using web interfaces enter the chatrooms as a random Pokémon eg.: "Wild_Tropius♀_(lv55)". Use "/nick SomeName" to renick yourself if you want.

^It's not exactly netiquette, it's actually in the help button for Speeqe; I'm mostly posting it here for completeness.

* When you renick yourself (via "/nick SomeName") try to avoid spaces and apostrophes.

^ This is mostly because of some issues for Speeqers (errors when seeing nicks with apostrophes, or inability to IM nicks with spaces).

* When posting images, in particular large ones, might be good idea to add a '?' at the end of the link to avoid it autoloading and clobbing the screens for Speeqe users.
* When wanting to post walls of text, prefer to use a pastebin. There's many on the internet, and we also have one: pastebin.tropi.us

^ These two are half netiquette, half "keeping things spruce". Images affect Speeqe users mostly, and wall of texts lose a lot of formatting when posted verbatim.

* Don't post links to the private chatrooms or their logs publicly.

^ This one is more proper netiquette.

Opinions?

EDIT: Murcrow says I forgot the pastebin link~

Re Pacing and Stuff

Most of what I wanted to say was already said in the logs. I had a couple of ideas to try and help with the part of inclusiveness, but since one was killed already before even leaving the floor I might want to wait until opinions and plans are better defined before bothering to offer anything else.

re Stuff that can't be sequelized: If you are going to do something that can't be sequelized *on a whim*, it might be a good idea to pay extra attention to make sure and leave open hooks so that other people can later participate somehow / time shenanigans / etc.

re the particular event that brought all of this to discussion: I don't see why there can't just be a second raid on the airship. If it were for justification, those guys are dealing with the J-Team - they are not going to send a couple of goons at it and be done with it, they're at least going to send the STRIKE and SEAL teams.

Re The Reveal™

A bit of a (necessary) leap in logic, but...

"Humans who are actually mons" (and viceversa) is for the most part a thing of myth. A news about it could go various ways, each one with its different scope of effects and also a different degree of credibility (ie.: is it a "We have discovered a new element!" kind of news or a "I have the Yeti's hair in my lab back in the woods!" kind of news?).

Revealing that Crewe is a mon would also bring more dedicated, validated attention to eg.: the J-Team show and the rumors and stuff. In particular for the Armbands and that kind of thing. Not sure if want.jpg.

There's also that while the most immediate kinds of effects at large would be of the sort of "I wonder if we can convert people into Pokémon?" (hey, RtAU :p) or viceversa, those are, if minorly, a sort of thing in canon (with the machines in Hoenn that are supposed to try to do various things between humans and Pokémon, for example).

(And the other most immediate kinds of effects are... dirtier, but let's not go into that)

So I would not be able to really say if it is a good idea or up to what point in any way until I knew more about the planned circumstances and motive for it.

EDIT: After PMing with Crewe about how the news would go public, I can say that it'd be an interesting thing to see in terms of plot and character development, but at the same time would reasonably end up very troubling for too many characters in-universe. At least, given the current in-universe context of dealing with Orre, various nascent teams having eyes set on the J-Team, etc.

So to the original question of if it is a good idea, I'd have to answer with a (probably disappointingly unhelpful) "not anytime soon".